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The Turk Rips Up a Bible in Cairo

September 14, 2012 2 comments

I guess if I want to be an enlightened human being, I shouldn’t refer to the guy as “The Turk.”  Clearly he’s not a Turk; He’s Egyptian.  But Luther referred to Muslims in general as “The Turk,” and this is a Lutheran blog.

Apparently the guy doesn’t know that most Americans don’t really care if some guy in Cairo tears up a Bible, because they’re not Christians in any real sense.  He also doesn’t understand that Christians are not permitted to respond to blasphemy against their God with violence, but rather to suffer it and pray for their enemies.  Muslims can’t understand this, I don’t think.  It always appears from the press reports that Muslims generally think that Westerners are Christians.EmperorSuleiman

Why do they think that?  I think, judging as an outsider, that it has to do with the nature of Islam.  Islam is inherently theocratic.  Or maybe it would be better to say that Islam has as its goal to influence and ultimately be ascendant in every part of human society and thought.  Of course this tendency is present in other religions, including Christianity; but then in Christianity there is always the cross, which promises that Christians will always be being cast out and sacrificed in this world.  So the idea of a Christian society becomes difficult.  A moral society you can have.  A Christian one seems impossible; how can you have a society run by a little flock of people who by definition must be cast out?
Anyway, it’s not that way with Islam.  If you are living in an Islamic society, you’re either a Muslim or one in subjection to Islamic law, and you are pledged to not betray your Muslim protectors.  You can be a lousy Muslim or a good Muslim; it doesn’t matter.  It’s still your identity.  At one time Europeans were kind of like this.  They were “Christendom.”  If you tore a Bible, or desecrated the reserved host, or raped a nun, you not only committed blasphemy but also insulted their nation and ancestors.  But today it’s not that way.  And even back in the days when it was that way in Europe and the US, the outrage provoked by individuals committing sacrilege is not really sanctioned by Christianity.  “If your enemy strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also…Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you…” That doesn’t really go very well with calling for the death penalty of a guy who tore up a bible.

There is probably another facet to this as well.  Here in the USA, if my sister or cousin is a big harlot and gets pregnant by God knows who, we are embarassed of her.  But we don’t say, “I am Karl, son of Paul, son of Lyndon, and my slutty cousin has brought shame on the family name.”  We consider ourselves individuals.  Whatever my relatives may do doesn’t really define who I am.

But this does not appear to be true of many people from the muslim world, among whom honor killings continue to occur even once people have moved to western nations where killing your slutty cousin is frowned upon.

I suppose the idea is that in these patriarchal societies, men are responsible for the behavior of people who dwell under their roofs.

Well, I’m a fan of patriarchy, so I don’t fault them for that.  I’m not really a fan of honor killing, though.  I suppose I agree that a housefather should exercise authority over those whom God has given him authority, although I don’t think killing is the responsibility of any except civil authorities.  But on the whole I can agree that if my kid maims your kid, I am responsible.

But if my kid says that Islam is a false religion, or that the Quran is not God’s book, and that Muhammad was a false prophet, I’m supposed to shut him up?  Or the reparation you want is my kid’s blood?

No, that’s ridiculous.  What you’re really saying is that you demand that I submit to your religion, your god.

I don’t demand that unbelievers believe in my God.  He does, and He threatens, but He does not authorize me to punish those who do not believe.  When I vote, I do vote to uphold the moral law–right and wrong.  But I do that not in an attempt to push my religion on people; I do it because the moral law is not a matter of faith but a matter of reason, and is required for the good of everyone in society, regardless of what they believe.

Other Americans are not required to respect the Bible.  I don’t expect them to, because they aren’t Christians.  If we lived in a society where most of the people were Christians, or claimed to be, then I could see refusing to put up with people burning the bible.  I wouldn’t be in favor of killing people, but an unbeliever who wants to live among Christians, meanwhile blaspheming and provoking them–well, that’s stupid.  In that case I could seek extraditing them to Mexico or Cuba or somewhere where they didn’t care.

So I could see where Muslims might get upset if a Christian burned a Quran in public in the middle of Cairo and wanted to kill him or banish him.  But instead, some guy insulted Islam who lives in another country, and Muslims kill an American ambassador and riot all across the world?

Well, we had better pray that God does not give us into the hands of the Turk like we so richly deserve.  Actually though, I think we would be better off.  Would it be better to have a bunch of idolatrous fanatics who uphold the moral law rule you, or a bunch of godless women and neutered, effeminate men?  Well, neither one seems all that great, and Christians will face persecution either way.

And can you imagine the horrors that are going to happen to Christians in majority muslim nations now?  They’ve already been blowing up the Iraqi Assyrians and the Copts in Egypt so as to almost eliminate a millenia old population in both countries; but what will it be like now that there’s an excuse?  Oh God, have mercy on the poor Copts, for Christ’s sake; and have mercy on all those who follow the false prophet Muhammad, that they may know Your Son, Jesus Christ.  And have mercy on us miserable Christians in the United States, so that we love our enemies, and those who are driven by violence and self-righteousness, whether secularists or Muslims, may see You in us.  Amen.

Here’s the article

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/imam-desecrates-bible-in-cairo.html#more

http://www.aina.org/news/20120913204249.htm

(AINA) — During the demonstration which was held in front of the American Embassy in Cairo on Tuesday, 9/11, a Muslim cleric named Abu Islam tore and burned the Holy Bible in front of thousands of Muslims. His action was met with applause and anti-Christian cheers from the demonstrators. Before leaving the demonstration and getting into his car, he told the crowds “next time I will urinate on it.”

The video above shows the Muslim cleric tearing the Bible. The video says:

  • 0.02 “the overwhelming Book, the Book of Truth and Peace. The place for these words and this book is over the heads because it is the real inspiration… (He places the Koran on his head) voices chanting Allahu Akbar.
  • 0.30 He Says: message to the Egyptian Christians. Out of respect and politeness to the Egyptian Christians we will not do the same like what they did to our God’s book , we will be generous towards you today and say we will respect you “momentarily.” We will respect this book which is in the Arabic language.
  • 0:54 Demonstrators’chants “Coming, Coming O Islam”
  • 1.09 Abu Islam holds another bible and says: This is the book the dog Terry believes in, as well as those dogs with him the Egyptian Christians in America.
  • 1.19 Abu Islam: Today I can only TEAR IT APART. He starts tearing the bible and throwing the leaves towards the mob, amid chants of Allahu Akbar and “Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews, the army of Mohammad is coming.”
  • 2.06 Abu Islam saying: to all the cross worshippers around the world we will not keep quiet . Today, we tore it.
  • 2.13 a man in blue beside him burns the bible raising it for everyone to see.
  • Abu Islam: Salamu Aleycom (Peace be with you) and leaves, with mob chanting “Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews, the army of Mohammad is coming.” “Governing, governing, O Koran.” “Coming, Coming O Islam.”

Dr. Mustafa Maraghy, professor of law and Islamic law at Cairo University, filed a complaint with the Attorney General against the cleric, whose real name is Ahmed Abdullah. The complaint cited Abdullah, who is the owner of the TV channel the Islamic Nation, for contempt of religion, disturbing public security and peace.

Dr Maraghy, who is the chairman of the Coptic Coalition, said that tearing and burning the Holy Bible, which all Christians in the world believe in, is a “villainous and barbaric act.” He added that it is not permitted at all to defame religions. “The same hurt feelings we felt by the film which insulted the prophet is the same that we felt by this criminal act,” he said.

He vowed that the Coptic Coalition will not ignore such “ignorant people” but will prosecute them. The Maspero Coptic Youth Union has called on President Morsy to intervene immediately to put an end to any efforts which would kindle the fire of sedition between Muslims and Copts.

Another complaint was also filed this morning against Abu Islam by Karam Gabriel, lawyer with the Copts of Egypt Coalition, for his recent burning of the Holy Bible as well as his previous insults to Christianity through his books and through his Islamic Nation TV Channel.

The Coalition, which has among its members Muslims and Copts, has issued an official statement condemning the film insulting the Prophet of Islam. Magdy Saber, spokesman for the Union, condemned Abu Islam’s tearing and burning of the Bible in front of the Copts who were present before the US Embassy, where they had gone in support of their Muslim brothers regarding to prophet’s film.

Saber demanded from officials to take the necessary measures to prevent sedition among the Egyptians. “If we condemn the film-makers of the prophet film who live outside Egypt,” he said, “we should also condemn this disgraceful act in Egypt, stressing the need to punish Abu Islam for his irresponsible actions.”

In an interview today with The Mohit newspaper, Abu Islam denied burning the Bible, he said “I tore it apart and threw it to the demonstrators to step on it with their shoes.” He added, “Next time I will make my grandson urinate on it, as the saying goes, an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth and the starter is at fault.”

Commenting on the fact that the film producers do not represent all Copts and the masses of the American people and therefore their holy book should not be insulted in response, Abu Islam said “if someone one did something, everyone bears the guilt and bears the outcome. Did not all Muslims bear the pain of what Osama bin Laden did? Did not all Muslims bear the pain of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman being described as a terrorist? Let them taste from the cup the Islamic world had to drink.”

“Until now we have not heard any condemnation from any Muslim organization or Al-Azhar,” said Coptic activist Mark Ebeid, “as our church did concerning the Prophet film. We have hope that the Church will say something about our Holy Book.”

By Mary Abdelmassih

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Only Jesus Still Cares About the Copts

 http://www.aina.org/news/20120802201306.htm

Muslims Burn Christian Homes and Businesses in Egypt

Posted GMT 8-3-2012 1:13:6

 

(AINA) …

The sectarian crisis in the village of Dahshur escalated on August 1 after the burial of the Muslim man who died yesterday in hospital. Hundreds of Muslims torched and looted Coptic businesses and homes despite hundreds of security forces being deployed in the village. Eyewitnesses reported that security forces did not protect most Coptic property — only the small church of St. George was protected, in addition to some Coptic houses in its neighborhood.

“As 120 families had already fled the village the day before after being terrorized, the businesses and homes were an easy game for the mob to make a complete clean-up of everything that could be looted,” said Coptic activist Wagih Jacob. “The security forces were at the scene of the crime while it was taking place and did nothing at all.”

After the violence, the family of the deceased Moaz Hasab-Allah said that destroying Coptic property is not enough and that Coptic have to “pay for their son’s death” with lives. They did not yet accept condolences for his death, which is a sign that a vendetta is intended. In certain parts of Egypt, when the family of a deceased intends to take revenge, they accept no condolences before the persons responsible are killed.

The sectarian incident which, now called the “shirt sedition,” started on July 27 in Dahshur, Badrasheen, 40 km south of Cairo, after the Coptic launderer Sameh Samy inadvertently burned the shirt of his Muslim client Ahmad Ramadan. Although they agreed to meet in the evening to settle the claim, Ramadam did not wait but came back in the afternoon to fight. After some 3000 armed Muslims surrounded the Copt’s home and launderette, he locked himself up in his home. As the fight intensified on both sides with Molotov cocktails, the Copt hurled one fire bomb from the roof of his house, which the 25-year-old Moaz, who happened to be passing by. He was taken to hospital, suffering third degree burns. After his death in hospital, Muslim brotherhood clerics and his family vowed to exact revenge, causing 120 terrorized Christian families to flee the village, with only one Christian family remaining behind according to the village priest Takla Abdel-Sayed.

The Coptic launderer, his father and brother, after being assaulted by the mob, were detained by the police on charges of murder and possession of explosives. Five arrest warrants were issued for 5 Muslims who are still at large (AINA 8-1-2012).

The Coptic Orthodox Church issued a statement today criticizing officials “for not dealing firmly with the events, demanding the speedy arrest of the perpetrators, the provision of security to the village Copts, their return to their homes, and monetary compensation for all those affected.”

Many activists regard the Dahshur incident as a perpetuation of the Mubarak-era policies of collective punishment of Copts.

“We were previously told that it was the old regime and security authorities which stirred sedition to divert the attention from existing problems facing the government,” said commented law professor and former member of parliament Georgette Qellini. “Now that regime has gone, so who now is the culprit? We flatly refuse collective punishment of Copts. Just because I share some one’s religion, I have to pay the price of losing my home and my job.”

In an interview with MidEast Christian News Rev. Dr. Safwat El-Bayadi, head of the Evangelical Community in Egypt, said that collective punishment of Christians is prevailing in the absence of a system and deterrent laws to punish perpetrators.

Fadi Joseph, founder of the Coalition of Egypt’s Copts, said during today’s protest that President Mohamed Morsi went back on his election promise to the Copts, that “I will not do no injustice to any Copt and no Copt will ever be displaced.” Youssef denied that the events of Dahshur was sectarian, stressing that what happened is an organized and systematic attack on Christians by militant Islamist groups in Dahshur. ”

Renowned Egyptian novelist and rights activist Alaa Al-Aswany wrote on his Twitter account a message to those who belittle the events of Dahshur, saying “What if the Americans acted the same way as the extremists of Dahshur, would you accept the expulsion of Muslims of America in response to Ben Laden’s terrorism?”

 

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